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# Our Last Episode (!?) Changes, Reflections, & What Comes Next

 Nov 10, 2026, 6:00:01 AM  |

[B Corp](https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/tag/b-corp), [Certified B Corporations](https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/tag/certified-b-corporations)

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Emmy Allison, longtime co-host of Beyond the B and former B Corp consultant at LIFT Economy, joins Ryan Honeyman for the last episode (for now) of Beyond the B. Emmy is now Associate Director of Strategic Partnerships at Apis & Heritage Capital Partners, a firm that finances the sale of businesses to their employees through ESOPs. She describes how the move came about after facilitating the alternative ownership transitions track at the B Corp Champions Retreat.

Ryan explains why he is adding executive coaching and a peer group called Impact Peers alongside his certification work, pointing to more B Corp consultants, flat growth in North America, an anti-ESG climate in the US, and increased use of AI.

Ryan and Emmy then catch up on the B Corp movement. They discuss the new pricing, including the assurance provider’s fee now appearing on top of the B Corp fee, whether the value proposition of certification is clear enough, and how much the community might shrink as 2026 recertification extensions come due.

Ryan also walks through submitting an application on the new B Audit platform, and both describe which requirements in the new standards are hardest to put into practice, including supply chain human rights impacts, stakeholder governance, and grievance procedures.

The conversation closes by looking back on roughly 65 episodes over two and a half years. They talk about the most listened-to episodes, the conversations that changed how each of them thinks about B Corps, and the tension between a big tent and a higher bar for impact. Ryan shares that Beyond the B is pausing, with a possible return in 2027 with more focus on leadership. 

**What You’ll Learn:**

- Hear how Emmy Allison moved from B Corp consulting at LIFT Economy to a strategic partnerships role at Apis & Heritage Capital Partners.
- Learn what Apis & Heritage looks for in a company: $5 to $15 million in EBITDA, profitability, and at least 75 employees for its second fund, with the sale structured as an ESOP.
- Understand how the recent B Corp pricing changes work, including the assurance provider’s fee appearing on top of the B Corp fee.
- Explore the debate over what the value proposition of B Corp certification should be, from attracting talent and investor interest to collective action and community.
- See how Ryan and Emmy think about possible attrition in the B Corp community as 2026 recertification extensions come due.
- Walk through the steps of submitting a certification application, from the DocuSign agreement to the B Audit platform to scheduling the audit, and why to set aside several hours.
- Recognize which requirements in the new standards Ryan and Emmy find hardest, including supply chain human rights impacts, stakeholder governance, and grievance procedures.
- Consider how each of them uses AI in their work, including Ryan’s three-week break from it and why Emmy still sees a need for human judgment.
- Discover which past Beyond the B episodes drew the most listeners and which conversations stayed with each of them.
- Hear what Ryan and Emmy believe the show did well, what they would do differently, and what is next for Beyond the B and Impact Peers.

**Quotations:**

“I really got to experience the true power of democratic decision-making and how to set it up and how to maintain it. Maintaining it is way harder than setting it up.” — Emmy Allison

“People love B Corp because of the community and these gatherings that we have and this opportunity to help each other be better people, be better business people, be better businesses.” — Emmy Allison

“I have so much love for this community. And this is definitely not goodbye.” — Emmy Allison

**Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:**

- Impact Peers — Program page: [https://lifteconomy.com/impactpeers](https://lifteconomy.com/impactpeers)
- Apis & Heritage Capital Partners — [https://www.apisheritage.com/](https://www.apisheritage.com/)
- Is Steward Ownership the ‘Gold Standard’ for B Corps? (w/ Achim Hensen & Luis Duarte) — Episode: [https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/is-steward-ownership-the-gold-standard-for-b-corps-w-achim-hensen-luis-duarte](https://go.lifteconomy.com/blog/is-steward-ownership-the-gold-standard-for-b-corps-w-achim-hensen-luis-duarte)
- B Lab — Website: [https://www.bcorporation.net/](https://www.bcorporation.net/)
- Next Economy MBA — Program: [https://lifteconomy.com/mba](https://lifteconomy.com/mba)
- National Center for Employee Ownership (NCEO) — Website: [https://www.nceo.org/](https://www.nceo.org/)
- Project Equity — Website: [https://projectequity.org/](https://projectequity.org/)

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